Showing posts with label Oldest Pub in Hastings. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Oldest Pub in Hastings. Show all posts

Monday, 19 January 2015

A bit of a moan...

Me moan?!? Well, just a bit... 

I got to the public conveniences at the Azur Pavilion about 2.40pm, on my way back from a round walking trip to Bexhill (research purposes, and some interesting stuff to come from Steve the Beermeister very very soon, ie Part whatever of the Oldest Pub in Hastings Saga), and, though during 'winter time' it is meant to be open until 5pm, they weren't! A bit much as I regularly praise the public toilets in Hastings, sad person that I am. 

More austerity cuts? Not very convenient... 

I hear you groan at my joke! 


Oh yes, and I notice that even ministers are now moaning about the Rail service and the London Bridge (lack of) 'service', not very original, they should have read my blog/rant of 29th November, shame on them! 

Anyway, more to come very soon, as I said above, of the latest installment of the oldest pub in Hastings saga, sorry, but a bit tired now, but I promise, very soon... 

Tuesday, 30 December 2014

Oldest Pub in Hastings continued...

By Steve the Beermeister 

It gets more interesting the more I look into this, but which pub is the oldest in Hastings, following the closure of the King's Head, the previously well-acknowledged oldest pub?


In my blog of 7th December, I mentioned that Alan from the Stag Inn, All Saints Street, had had a 'hissy fit' after he partially read (I presume, either that, or he has difficulty understanding the English language) my article in the Hastings Independent of 21st November, writing in to the following issue complaining about my article, which had started with the Anchor as the 'baseline' in my quest to find the oldest pub in Hastings. 

Jim Breeds commented on that blog "I shall share these posts to my Hastings and Area Facebook page this afternoon. We may get some opinions on there :) - for which I was grateful, but this received the usual assertions with no evidence to back them up, some people think it's one, some t'other. Cheers anyway, Jim! 


As I said before, Alan used the Shepherd Neame website to support his argument, which says "The Stag is the oldest pub still open in Hastings... with whitewashed walls and oak beams, the pub dates from 1547... The front is in Georgian style, added by the Victorians... There are two bars. The front is the most commonly used and features the famous "mummified" cats... they were found in a chimney on the first floor during the 1940s... There is no historical evidence, but it is popularly believed they belonged to Hannah Clarke, a witch, who is said to have occupied the Stag in the earlier part of its existence."     
However, I have recently had a reply to my enquiry from Shepherd Neame who told me "Our records for the Stag only go back to 1859 when it was already a pub, and similarly our records for the Anchor go back to 1804 when it was already a pub." So, the brewery has no evidence to support their assertion that the pub dates from 1547 as a pub, though, as I've said before, I have no doubt that the building was originally older than the Anchor.


Indeed, following his own extensive research, David Russell's 'Register of Licensees for Hastings & St Leonards 1500-2010' states that license records for the Stag go back to 1835, when Samuel Heathfield held the license. For the Anchor they go back to 1798, when Anne Thwaites held the license. Furthermore, there is no evidence that the Stag had a license before that time, and it wasn't until 1838 that Samuel applied for a 'full license'. 

The introduction of the idea that a witch lived there is interesting, and may well offer support for the assertion that the Stag has been a pub for a lot longer. The practice of walling up a cat, with the animal sometimes still alive, is known to have been a medieval precaution against evil spirits.  


Dr Marion Gibson, Professor of Literature at Exeter University, whose research investigates the relationships between writings about magic and the supernatural and those about identity, spanning the period c.1500-present, says that cats "were often put into walls as some kind of good luck charm. It seems to have been quite a widespread practice across the European continent." 

During the medieval era hundreds of women were accused of witchcraft and executed, and many of those women were brewers or 'brewsters'. The visual features associated with witches date from the time, the cat, a bubbling cauldron, the broom and pointed hat, yet they are all symbols associated with brewing beer too.


A cat could keep vermin at bay that may eat malted barley, the bubbling cauldron or 'kettle' is the vessel in which the ingredients are boiled. When the brew cools down, yeast lands on it and ferments the sugars, creating a dramatic froth. 

The broom could be used to sweep up, but anyone selling beer was required to display an 'ale stake' above their door as a sign that beer was on sale. An ale stake was a wooden pole with a bunch of twigs tied to the end. Indeed, hanging foliage above a door as a sign to proclaim the sale of alcohol dates back to Roman times. 

Finally, a pointed hat was a practical way of being noticed. Women with surplus beer would go to the marketplace to sell it, or a middle woman known as a 'huckster' would act as an agent to sell the beer. They wore the pointed hats to make themselves prominent in a market crowd. 


Anyway, my point today is, I still cannot assert, with certainty, which pub of these 2 is the oldest building continuously used as a pub! But perhaps I shan't need to, and maybe we'll never really know, though I still have a few other hostelries to consider. More soon... ish, cheers!   

Sunday, 7 December 2014

Oldest Pub in Hastings - Part II

By Steve the Beermeister

I thought I'd already explained that finding out which pub is the oldest in Hastings wouldn't be all that easy, both in my recent blog, and in my article in the Hastings Independent, and I even invited readers of both to provide help and advice, but talk about jumping the gun!?! Obviously, some readers don't actually read an article fully, indeed, one reader decided to write a letter of complaint, which is completely unfounded! 


As I said in the newspaper article, I would deal with this in further articles leading up to Christmas, however, since I do not write for that organ anymore, I have said I would deal with this subject in future blogs here. Sounds simple to understand to me, but, Alan of The Stag decided to write to the paper, complaining about my assertion (not!) that The Anchor is the oldest pub in Hastings (evidence exists that the Anchor has been licensed since 1798). Well, Alan, I said, in the issue dated 21st November 2014: 

"any letters from readers providing extra guidance would help me out. To help me reach a firm conclusion... So the Anchor is my starting point..." 

Sounds easy to understand to me... 


So, what evidence does Alan provide in his letter? First, the owners, Shepherd Neame, say that the Stag is the oldest pub in Hastings, and that the Anchor is the second eldest, well that's proof then! Oh no it isn't, actually. The Stag may be a slightly rebuilt (the front in the 18th century) older building than the Anchor, but even that doesn't provide evidence that the building has been continually run as a pub since 1547, whatever Derek at the History House says in support of the Kent brewers claims, where is the evidence please? 

Indeed, I was very interested in how long the Stag has been run as a pub, and had already contacted Shepherd Neame directly, before Alan's letter was published in the paper, and am still awaiting their reply; they have been very good at providing information to me in the past, so I am expecting a reply reasonably soon. Whatever, and I shall be writing about the Stag in more detail, once I have completed further empirical research, there IS evidence that the Stag has been licensed since 1835, 37 years after the Anchor...   


So what other pubs in Hastings am I researching then? There's the claim of the Cinque Port Arms, down the road from the Stag, to start with, though substantially rebuilt in the early 20th century, the fundamental building was a pub as long ago as the 17th century, previously known as the Chequers. However, as the Cinque Port Arms, there is only evidence that it has been licensed since 1816, 19 years before the Stag...  


Still in the old town, what about the Hastings Arms, which has been licensed since 1794, 41 years before the Stag? Again, I shall deal with this in more detail in future blogs, and I am in no way saying that this evidence makes the Hastings Arms an older pub than the Stag, which is definitely an older building, but it isn't quite so simple to define what is the oldest continuously run pub in Hastings... 


Before I end this blog, and credit to pointing me to The Bull on the Bexhill Road as a potential in this quest, must go to John Hodges, many thanks John. Evidence exists that The Bull, yet another Shepherd Neame pub, has been licensed by Hastings authorities since 1622! However, I have to carry out much more research on this, and the other 4 pubs of course, before I am even going to try and provide a definitive answer to my initial question, just what is the oldest pub in Hastings?

Please be patient, and I hope this is a subject of interest to people, cheers!